yes, yes way its all true!

[Paul Dobransky MD]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game

[Cheryl]

Thank you, Dr. Paul, for this most entertaining article. Was there a specific point you were attempting to make that you found most appealing from this? Otherwise, arguments from all kinds of perspectives can be made from it.

[mthuckleberry]

Thanks for writing the clarifying question, cheryl. The article WAS quite long and bounced around over quite a bit of territory....... I wasnt sure from which avenue to initiate a response!!
I do think we nearly exhausted the PUA in another thread. Some of the thoughts on evolutionary psychology are certainly interesting and fit well with DP's own material.... We certainly have the reptilian brain on overdrive here with observing ego fast asleep!

~Deborah~

[ManOnAMission]

I was actually a little confused reading this article. Lots of contradicting things have been argued:

1. Most males are out of touch with masculinity in today's society, and that almost all men are 'beta males'. So fewer alpha males to compete. And so more and more, beta males are getting married, and women are unhappy in these marriages.

2. As we throw away courtship rituals, men and women have gone more Reptilian. So more Alpha Males (especially immature), cutting out the high-character Beta Males.

3. As more and more men are out of touch with masculinity, the Community Gurus have become the de-facto leaders of a generation of young men.

4. Most guys in the Community (including the Gurus) are viewed as douchebags.

Anyway, these 4 points can't all be true. But they have all been argued...

[Paul Dobransky MD]

Instead of saying men are bad blah blah or women need to be more blah blah, i like how it points to cultura; environment and says whats bad for women is bad for men, but also that whats bad for men is bad for women. Just because men don't reach out for help - demasculinizing - doesn't mean it is okay for the culture to stand by watching, and doing nothing.

[villa]

IDK much about The Weekly Standard, but I couldn't force myself to read past the first half because the author switched topics from the mysogonist Max Whothefukcares to meandering commentary about modern promiscuity.

The author also discounts feminist arguments against disrespectful behavior pretty much right off the bat, which makes me question the political voice belonging to The Weekly Standard's editorial crew. Also, that illustration of a "big mouthed, braying laughter, big breasted, smoking & drinking blond" really sets the image for the reader to associate with the article. Did anyone else notice that? Yeah.

To spare myself further slogging through weak political argumentation, can someone please summarize the point of the article for me? I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

[ArtMuse]

Nice way to dissect the article, villa!

[Paul Dobransky MD]

Yea I was surprised too, in that that staff would tend to be uberuber conservative!

It helps to dissect via the "three brains."

She's not talking about it being okay to be rude or discourteous. She's talking about the PRIMITIVE aspect of being masculine or feminine - that neither are inherently "bad" and in fact are the very source of PASSION and ATTRACTION themselves.

If absent or suppressed, you have a soulless society with bland, passionless marriages doomed to divorce or cheating.

But yes, without boundaries on TOP of the primitive masculinity and femininity, there is scoundrel behavior at best and criminal behavior at worst.

[Rampiance]

I took the article as a snapshot of the current state of "affairs" in the relationship game, since it reviews marriage as well as singles. This is the kind of thing that men and women need to see when they are navigating these waters. I wish I'd had such a clue when I was 17, and again at 37. The second time around, I was determined not to be so ignorant and naive, so I studied up and found things to be pretty much as the author says. I signed up on men's forums and learned the acronyms and was on the lookout for those insincere techniques. I did spot a few, and avoided those particular situations. As forewarning for forearming, this article is a good read.

I learned something new from it, too. I've only seen a handful of Sex and the City episodes, but I saw enough to recognize the big-mouthed blond who disgusted Villa -- that's Samantha, the vixen of Sex and the City, who the author claims women saw as a model of liberation. I didn't relate to Sam -- her priorities and style were so foreign to me. (Well, the whole show was foreign to me.) But I learned that I have a lot in common with her, statistically at least. In the same number of years, Sam and I had roughly the same number of sex partners. It was a steep learning curve, but like her, I also escaped venereal disease, and life just keeps getting better and better.

I always knew I was an outlier, but now the degree of outlying is quantified and even has an avatar to go with it. Hahaha!

[ArtMuse]

Rampiance ~

Welcome to the women's happiness forum!
You've been quite active this week ~ we welcome your feedback and interaction, without a doubt.

You've an interesting forum moniker ~ what does "Rampiance" mean, if I may ask?

Also, it's obvious by your understanding of Dr. Paul's materials that you have following his work and writings for some time. May I also ask what materials you currently own? ...and/or have you had the opportunity to attend any seminars?

It's good to have you on board and sharing your perspective. We look forward to hearing more, and getting to know you better!

Warmly,
L'Art

[Rampiance]

You've an interesting forum moniker ~ what does "Rampiance" mean, if I may ask?

Thank you for the warm welcome, L'Art

In some stories about the long-haired German Rapunzel, the witch's special herbs were called rampions (bellflowers), the sound of which I transplanted to America and renamed ramps -- wild onions -- which are native to the midwest (like me!). Rapunzel is a weak/unimaginative feminine heroine (like most in Western culture), and I'm something else.

Rampiance sounds like ramps + rampant (wildness of nature) + radiance (nature of woman).

My hair is now long enough to touch the back of my knees, and I like to wear it loose (rampant, haha). And no, I'm not pentacostal or rastafarian.

.... you have following his work and writings for some time. May I also ask what materials you currently own? ...and/or have you had the opportunity to attend any seminars?

The book by Moore and Gillette got me looking around the web and I found Dr Paul's website. I have been getting his women's newsletter for a while, and just two weeks ago downloaded the free e-books for men and women. I'm raising a daughter and a son, and I want both of them to have a leg up on understanding this stuff. Dr Paul's is the best practical advice I've seen yet for men, and I've been looking around. I also cross-pollinate between Dr Paul's work and many other systems that classify human nature.

No seminars.

Thanks again for the warm welcome. I really enjoy the wealth of information and insight on these boards! Looking forward to some great discussions.

[Rampiance]

Very pretty avatar, L'Art.
It makes the page a pleasure to look at.

[Tobi]

This article made me laugh. I remember watching "Mystery" on VH1. There were alot of thoughts tossed around but I think I can safely say that most men fall between the character in the lead paragraph and the poor lonely guy with no game. Its flattering when guys try, even when you know they are trying. Girls may give them a chance just because they are trying (as long as they stop short of losing all dignity).